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Minutes of the P-2.5 Committee on Tantalum Capacitors
October 3, 2000
Wyndham Hotel San Diego, CA

Name
Organization
Members Present
Richard Drawz Boeing Commercial Airplane Group
Mike Lauri IBM Corporation
Mike Mosier North American Capacitor Co.
Chris Reynolds AVX Corporation
Nancy Reynolds Kemet Corporation
Keith Seamands Ford Motor Company
Mark St. Clair Agilent Technologies
Dave Toomey Vishay
George Witt Lucent Technologies
Members Absent
Mike Greenwood Intel Corporation
Russell Miles Motorola, Inc.
Philip Mitchell KOA Speer Electronics
Others Present
Jose L. Cruz Compaq Computer Corp.
Fred Froutan Rohm Electronics
Caddy Greenidge Bradford Electronics
Michael Griffith KOA Speer Electronics
Dave Holmes Vishay
Laird Macomber Cornell Dubilier
Len Metzger Panasonic Ind'l Co
Robert Pfahl Motorola
Brian Piscitelli KOA Speer Electronics
Michael Radecki Defense Supply Center
Les Rice KOA Speer Electronics
David Richardson Vishay
Maria Slezak Kamaya, Inc.
Michael Tinkleman EIA/ECA
Daniel Wang Kemet

1 Committee Organization and Procedures
1.1 Membership and Attendance

The meeting was called-to-order at 4:15 PM by Dave Toomey, Chairperson. Self-introductions were made, attendance taken, and it was shown that a quorum was present.

1.2 Approval of the Agenda

The Agenda was unanimously approved as written.

1.3 Approval of the Minutes

The Minutes from the April, 2000 meeting were unanimously approved as written.

1.4 Correspondence

No correspondence was received.

2. OLD BUSINESS

2.1 Reports
2.1.1 Report of the Tantalum Working Group Meeting

  • There is confusion about the name of the committee. It should be "P-2.5 Tantalum." Electrolytic and other descriptions should not be used.
  • Motion: - To change the Committee title to Tantalum Capacitors. Motion carried unanimously.
  • Motion: - Adopt as Committee Scope - "All Tantalum and Non-dielectric Capacitors" Motion carried unanimously.
  • Would like to update specifications in the EIA catalog; many of them are outdated. Would like to mark those that are rescinded. Action Item
  • Would like an attachment to the minutes of active P-2.5 specifications and working projects. Action Item
  • In item 2.2.1 of agenda, ((EIA-535BAAC), Low ESR (EIA-535BAAE), and Fused Specifications) will go forward with current version of specs. For numbers that will change frequently, a slash sheet will be attached.
  • Global standardization information will be sent to IEC through Greenidge or Carrier.

2.1.2 U-1 Committee Report

The U-1 Committee meeting preceded the P-2.5 meetings earlier in the day with most of the P-2.5 attendees participating in the U-1 meeting. The next Engineering Summit will be 4/23-25/2001 in San Antonio.

2.1.3 DSCC Report of Government Specifications and Standards

Michael Radecki distributed the latest DSCC report on Tantalum capacitors. The DSCC report is attached.

2.2 Surface Mount Tantalum Capacitors
2.2.1 Status: Standard (EIA-535BAAC), Low ESR (EIA-535BAAE), and Fused Specifications

PN 4837 (3/28/2000) has been issued for work on EIA-535BAAC, "Specification for Fixed Tantalum Chip Capacitors, Style 1 Protected (Molded)". This specification needs to be updated for new ratings. In the P-2.5 Working Group meeting earlier in the day, it was agreed that committee would go forward with current version of specifications with the addition of a slash sheet for numbers that will change frequently. A Task Group to update the Slash Sheets was formed. Its members include Mike Griffith, Nancy Reynolds and Dave Toomey.

PN 4838 (3/28/2000) has being issued for work on EIA-535BAAE, "Detailed Specification for Low ESR Molded Tantalum Chip Capacitors."

2.2.1 Discussion of new Case Sizes, Ratings, or Products

The committee voted unanimously at the April 2000 meeting to adopt a new case size naming convention. The existing 4 digits will continue to identify the nominal Length and Width, in millimeters. The alpha characters previously used to designate Low or High profile will be replaced with 2 additional digits to identify the maximum Height, in millimeters, for all case size codes. The new codes will be hyphenated as LLWW-HH. Note that the actual height dimensions for all case sizes will include a tolerance. (The low profile types were previously specified with only a maximum dimension. Although we will use the maximum height in the naming scheme, the actual case requirements will still require a lower and upper limit.)

2.2.2 Global Standardization of Tantalum Specifications

The Committee would like to get two of the Tantalum specifications into the IEC system. They are EIA-809, "Solid Tantalum Capacitor Application Guideline."(6/99) and EIA/IS-717, "Surface Mount Tantalum Capacitor Qualification Specification."(4/97) They would get published as an IEC "new work proposal." Five countries each need to nominate six experts to work on these IEC "new work proposals." There was some question on the logistics of this process including any needed copy right releases, and finding electronic copies of the EIA-809 and EIA/IS-717 to send to IEC. Action Item


2.3 High-temperature (³150 °C) applications for molded chip tantalums

Several automotive companies are investigating 150C requirements for tantalum capacitors. The committee will continue to track these activities to see if there is enough interest to warrant developing a standard.

2.4 Hazardous Material (Pb-free, etc…) considerations for Tantalum Chips

Committee is continuing to track the lead-free issue and the groups involved and the lead-free combinations suggested to see what impacts they would have on tantalum capacitors. At the next meeting they would like to have a report on the "Lead-free Working Group" (Not part of the NEMI efforts.) This lead-free group is looking more at component end of the issues. Not looking at soldering alloys. Also question of how can ECA work with the NEMI Lead-free working group.
Action Item Mike Mosier request to report to this committee and to the other P-Committees on the NEMI Lead-free activities at or before the next set of Committee meetings in San Antonio.

2.5 Tantalum chips with Polymer Electrolyte Systems

Preliminary draft document being worked on. Need to add case sizes where there are no ratings yet. There were also some discussions on ways to move document preparation along between committee meetings. Items suggested included e-mailing document to committee members; a teleconference; and looking at ways to make use of the ECA web site such as a committee discussion group. Action Item

3. NEW BUSINESS

There was no new business to discuss.

4. SELECTION OF NEXT MEETING

The next meeting will be at the 2nd Engineering Summit 4/23-25/2001 in San Antonio.

5 ADJOURNMENT

The Committee moved, seconded, and unanimously agreed to adjourn at 5:42 PM.

6 ACTION ITEMS

Update specifications in the EIA catalog including marking those that are rescinded.

Attachment to the minutes a list of active P-2.5 specifications and working projects. (Attached)

Resolve questions on the logistics of getting EIA-809 and EIA/IS-717 into the IEC system.

Information on NEMI Lead-free activities to the committee and other P-Committees.

Tantalum Chips with Polymer Electrolyte Systems - look for ways to move document preparation along between committee meetings.


This meeting was conducted in accordance with the EIA legal guidelines and the manual of organization and procedures.

Dave Toomey, Chairperson
Signature on file

Nancy Reynolds/Michael Tinkleman, Secretary
Signatures on file

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